"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"I had an uncle, Jon Gnagy, who had a television show called Learn to Draw. He designed drawings so that he could then teach other people how to do them. He would show you step by step by step, and I just got the feeling that it never occurred to him to come up with a painting or a drawing that he couldn’t tell someone else how to do."