"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"Often I’ve thought I can’t imagine really doing this for my whole life, my whole career. In the late ’80s and ’90s I was experimenting more with gradually taking myself out of the picture, where I was just sort of a reflection in something, or only a part of my face was shown in the shadows."