"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"It was much harder than using myself because when I use myself I can play, so that every single picture is completely different. I’m never really sure when I’ve experimented with other people as models. I’m frustrated at trying to capture on film something that I can’t even articulate because I don’t really know what it is I am looking for until I see it."