"In the paintings where it's there—the tenderness—I work for it. I'm not afraid of it. If I could put my bleeding heart in there, I would."
"How do you make one clown really look like a different person from another and have some character underneath the makeup? And what could that character be? Are they good or bad? Unsuccessful? Down on their luck? It was all about that makeup and everything that they do in order to create their faces."