"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"I don’t think art has a possibility of providing aesthetic redemption. But I think we have to try. There’s a beautiful quote from the Italian philosopher Giorgio Agamben. He says that when the victim gives account of his own ruin, life subsists even in the ruin. And I think that’s our task, to make that subsist, not to allow that to be forgotten—to bring that to our present tense."