"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"They started with graphic marks that almost looked like glyphs and little symbols and quickly evolved into notation and then more of a gesture—miniature gestures that can mean different things in my mind and in the work depending on how they operate and lean."