"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"If you spend that time with the work you’ll see the complexity. The painting will then come to you. Sometimes you have to allow that type of looking. Sometimes it can take days to know what to do next in a work. If I don’t have access one day, I can try and work on something different, but sometimes I don’t have access into any of them and I have to draw."