"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"I was a sculptor and couldn’t get attention for my sculpture so I started making paintings. I didn’t really study painting in school, but I remember friends who were studying painting at Yale in the ’60s where the big thing was looking hard at a painting and trying to decide if it worked or not."