"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"In the ’70s, when I started, my painting was coming out of sculpture. And I was using acrylic paint almost as a sculptural material. I would paint straight up and down and then straight sideways, covering up the brushstrokes—not sanding them out, but just trying to make it not expressionistic at all."