"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"In the ‘70s I started photographing, but then I actually was really interested in the photograph as painting. And so it wasn’t purely documentation; it was about figuration in painting. I would photograph a performance—I would have fifty photographs—and I was really into looking at the images as a type of painting or as a type of figuration in a frame."