"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"There’s something coming from making sculpture and making the films—and it’s about looking to flip the thing. So you might want to put Elizabeth Taylor in a pirate movie and depict it as Who’s Afraid
of Virginia Woolf, and you might insert a Bruce Nauman thing. And you might use a term like fucking it up to describe this."