"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"They become victimized within what we would think of as expressionism. It’s the emotion of pounding on them or twisting
off a leg that’s expressionistic, like a sculptural gesture, but in another way it’s like a brutal effect on the sculpture. And then it’s a form of abstracting, or of just directing energy at it."