"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"In the ‘60s I painted paintings with my hands, flat on the ground. And then I would light them on fire and burn them. I didn’t think of this as performance or theater. I was painting and burning them—it was like a flash fire that would turn them black—and there was an action aspect to painting beyond just the action of a de Kooning."