"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"When I first did the films they were very separate from my activity of drawing, which was art. And when a curator came and said he wanted to show my films, I felt insulted and I refused. It took me a long time to understand that it was all right that film was the substantive work I was doing."