"I still think the social function of art is that kind of negative aesthetic. Otherwise there’s no social function for it."
"I don’t really buy the idea that order and disorder are the same. On the one hand it’s the pleasure of the optical illusion if you think you recognize what you’re seeing but it’s something completely different. But it’s also about chaos, which we somehow force into a pattern of coherence in terms of how we have to make sense of the world."