"For us, the idea of having a work that has contradictions is very important—when, in affirming something, it includes itself and attacks itself. How can you put together all of these things that have nothing to do with each other? You use glue! Glue can be an idea, a word. You can use an ideological glue."
"There’s a sense of journeying, not knowing what’s going to be at the other end, which seems to be an important part of where we are in the world now—whether it’s a diaspora, whether it’s refugees, whether it’s voluntary migrations—that sense of shifting across to an uncertain end, in which there may be hope."